Women have been told to “lean in,” now we’re being told to “lean out.” In this episode, your chief empowerment officer, Jennifer Keitt is talking with a former Facebook and Google executive about the “truth” about what’s really going on at the heart of today’s most powerful corporations and what women can do to forge a new path forward.

Facebook and Google veteran, Marissa Orr is author of the new book Lean Out: The Truth About Women, Power and the Workplace.